Supplements Part 1

On the support forum is a thread where folks can make suggestions for articles.  Among them, someone mentioned an article on supplements.  I had previously (I think in one of the newsletters) made a list of my ‘Top 10 supplements’ or whatever but since the archives are now defunct, it needed to be recreated.   Since what I want to do is going to be long, as usual I’m going to split it into two pieces.

For the record, this is actually the near entirety of Chapter 11 from the soon to be completed project: Applied Nutrition for Mixed Sports.  I had mentioned this in the last newsletter and the final files are being processed right now, after one more edit it will be made available.  Probably in about 2 more weeks.

The project actually started life as a seminar I did in Vancouver last year  for the Simon Fraser University soccer and football athletes. When completed, the product will include 2 DVD’s along with the original Powerpoint slides as well as a complete 80 page stand alone book examining the topic that I wrote to go along with it (the book started out as handouts I gave to the athletes but I decided to write an entire book around the handouts).  As always, newsletter subscribers will get first crack at it at a discounted price so go sign up if you haven’t already.

And with that out of the way, here’s a quick look at the topic of supplements, while the information was originally aimed at mixed sports (think team sports, boxing, MMA, anything that requires a mix of strength, endurance, etc. for performance), what I have to say pretty much applies to other areas as well including bodybuilding and pure strength training.

Of course, I’m sure readers will have some pet supplement that they take for some very specific reason (e.g. B12 because they lack the absorption factor, or something to control blood cholesterol or whatever).  The list below isn’t meant to be comprehensive.  Rather, it’s meant to look at the supplements that have the most broadly generalized use and application (for all types of athletes) along with having research or backing to support their use.  So please don’t get edgy in the comments if I left out something that you just swear by for some very specific use.

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Chapter 11: Supplements

If there is a single area of sports nutrition that is constantly changing (in terms of the products being marketed) and which athletes are always interested in it’s dietary supplements. As I mentioned in Chapter 2 of this book, I consider supplementation to be the third tier of the pyramid (after overall daily nutrition and around workout nutrition) in terms of what athletes should concern themselves with. Even there, I divide dietary supplements into several categories and want to present another pyramid for dietary supplements, shown in Figure 1 below.

 

Supplement Pyramid

Just as with the overall nutritional pyramid, I put supplements into three categories in terms of their relative importance. The first is simply general supplements, either acting as nutritional insurance or essential nutrients (such as fish oils) that almost all mixed sports athletes can benefit from. Once those have been taken care of consistently, supplements that directly impact on performance and which have good research backing should be considered. Once that tier has been taken care of, various supplements which I term esoterica (this category is always changing) can be considered.

The tip of this pyramid should only be considered by athletes who have all aspects of both their overall diet, around workout nutrition and other supplements taken care of. Simply, esoteric products can, at best, provide the last tiny percentage point for performance and recovery. Worrying about that when the majority aspects of diet and supplementation have not been taken care of consistently is pointless.

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General Use Supplements

As noted above, general use supplements are those products that basically all athletes can not only benefit from but probably should at least consider. Short of correcting a frank deficiency, they don’t generally have vast noticeable improvements in performance per se; rather they simply support overall health and daily nutritional requirements.

Many of the nutrients discussed below are simply those that are commonly deficient among athletes, others (e.g. vitamin D, fish oil) are usually deficient in just about everyone. Generally, these supplements should be taken with meals and doses can be split morning and evening and taken with meals.

Multivitamin/Mineral

As I mentioned in a previous chapter, there are both reasons to believe that athletes need increased amounts of vitamins/minerals due to their heavy training as well as that they get more due to increased nutrient intake. I consider a basic one per day multi-vitamin/mineral a cheap nutritional insurance. It won’t hurt and may correct and/or prevent any minor deficiencies.

For the most part, I see little need to purchase super expensive formulations, athletes who are obsessed with such can buy cheaper and simply take two (split morning and evening). I would note that men, especially those who eat a lot of red meat, may want to find a product that does not contain iron. Women, due to their propensity to develop anemia (due to both dietary choices and monthly blood loss) should choose a product containing iron.

As a final note, under no circumstances should athletes assume that they can ignore important aspects of their overall diet because their multi- will ‘cover it’.

Protein Powders

As discussed in a previous chapter, protein powders have been staple of athletic nutrition for decades and exist somewhere between food and a supplement. While obtaining all but the highest intakes of protein can generally be done with nothing more than food, protein powders can provide convenience and flexibility for athletes having problems meeting their protein needs. They can be especially valuable when athletes travel and may have their normal food patterns disrupted. Specific types of protein powder are discussed in Chapter 4.

For the most part, buying protein powders commercially is a losing proposition, you will pay twice as much for half the product and I recommend that athletes find reliable online suppliers to purchase protein powder in bulk. I’ve provided a few online resources at the end of this book that I trust to provide quality product at a good price.

Fish Oils/Essential Fatty Acids

If there is a single nutrient that is almost impossible to achieve adequate amounts of with the modern diet (outside of the handful of people who eat a lot of fatty fish), it’s the w-3 fish oils. In a very real sense, fish oils ‘do everything’ and impact on not only overall health but help to control inflammation, promote fat oxidation, inhibit fat storage and a host of others. It’s a list of benefits that seems almost too good to be true but the research is there.

Due to their general unavailability in the food supply, supplementation is almost necessary and both pills (containing varying amounts of the active EPA/DHA) and liquids are available. Both are acceptable and some people simply prefer the liquids (which can be used on salads or in blender drinks) to pills (which often cause burps).

Years ago, flaxseed oil was suggested as a source of the essential fatty acids as it contains the parent fatty acid that can be converted into EPA/DHA. However, that conversion is exceedingly inefficient in most people (vegetarians appear to be an exception to this for some reason) and I do not feel that flax is an acceptable substitute for fish oil supplementation. I suggest that athletes find an omega-3 fatty acid source that they like and consume it daily (again, consuming cold water or fatty fish is also a possibility).

While little research has examined athletes, I recommend a total intake of EPA/DHA of 1.8-3.0 grams per day. A fairly standard capsule of fish oils may contain 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA (300 mg total fish oils) so that daily dose would require 6-10 capsules per day which should be split at least morning and evening (taken with meals).

Higher concentration fish oils are available (at a premium cost) but may be preferred by athletes who don’t like swallowing pills.   Again, the goal should be a total EPA/DHA intake of 1.8-3.0 grams per day regardless of how it is obtained.

Calcium

As I mentioned previously, calcium deficiencies are not unheard of in athletes; this is especially true if athletes can’t or won’t consume dairy products. And from an overall health issue, calcium is critical, perhaps more so for female athletes to ensure good bone health later in life. Of course, telling athletes to take something on health grounds is often a losing proposition so consider that a great deal of research suggests that calcium (and dairy calcium more than other forms) may improve body composition.

A minimum daily intake of 1000mg calcium is recommended and I’d note that a single serving of most dairy foods will contain roughly 300 mg. If you consume 3 servings per day of dairy, you needn’t supplement. If your intake is less than this, you may need to consider a supplement (multi-vitamin/mineral pills never contain sufficient amounts).

Calcium citrate is the preferred form and most calcium products will contain some Vitamin D as well (see next). Calcium supplementation should be split into two doses consumed morning and evening with meals as this provides better overall uptake.

Vitamin D

It’s not an exaggeration to say that concerns about Vitamin D levels are currently a ‘hot-topic’ in nutrition. And while Vitamin D can be made by the body (through exposure of the skin to sunlight), it’s turning out that Vitamin D deficiencies are absolutely epidemic, especially for people who work indoors and/or live in cold weather countries where sun exposure is minimal.

Athletes who are forced to train indoors for weather reasons are potentially at risk as well. This is true even of athletes who train outdoors part of the year as Vitamin D levels in the body fall fairly quickly when regular sun exposure is eliminated.

It also looks like maintaining adequate Vitamin D status may be a key to optimal athletic performance although direct research is lacking. Unfortunately, determining serum levels of Vitamin D intake to determine optimal levels of supplementation requires blood work. Athlete with access to testing should strive for levels of 50 ng/ml or higher. It requires 100 IU’s of Vitamin D to raise serum levels by 1 ng/ml and athletes with access to blood testing can determine their daily dose that way (e.g. to raise levels from 30ng/ml to 50 ng/ml would require 2000 IU’s per day).

Failing that, a daily supplementation level of 2000 IU’s should be safe and reasonable for most. Blood work is still preferred and this is another place where mega-dosing (greater than perhaps 10,000 IU’s per day) can be problematic. More isn’t better.

For athletes who don’t want to take yet another pill, tanning once or twice weekly provides another way to obtain Vitamin D. Don’t go nuts with it (as excessive UV skin exposure carries its own health risks) but small amounts during cold weather or periods where sun exposure is minimal are not harmful and may help.

Zinc/Magnesium

As mentioned previously, both zinc and magnesium are often deficient in athletes; zinc is often low in athletes who forego red meat and magnesium losses increase with heavy training. Both are critical for optimal performance and various processes important to athletes. As well, many find that the combination of the two taken at bedtime helps with sleep, a process critical to overall recovery.

On average, a daily supplement of 25 mg of zinc (any form is basically fine) with 400-500 mg of magnesium (citrate is the preferred form) taken 30 minutes before bedtime helps many go to sleep. While many commercial zinc/magnesium products contain B-6, this seems to hurt sleep for some people and I suggest buying the ingredients separately if they are taken. I’d note that magnesium oxide, which is the most commonly found form of magnesium is poorly absorbed, as noted above citrate is the preferred form.

Glutamine

A supplement that is insanely popular with bodybuilders (who think it builds muscle, which it doesn’t), glutamine is an inessential amino acid that is heavily involved in immune system function. Given the propensity of athletes to suffer problems with their immune system secondary to heavy training, anything that helps support the immune system is potentially good.

The research on glutamine and immune system function is actually rather mixed, some finds that it works while other work has not. It’s more likely that branched-chain amino acid (BCAA) supplementation, discussed in the next section, works as well if not better.

From a purely experiential standpoint, I have found that the consumption of high doses of glutamine and Vitamin C at the first sign of a cold tends to stop it in its tracks. Two to three grams of glutamine with 500mg of Vitamin C taken multiple times throughout the day seems to do the trick.

Anti-Oxidants

The term anti-oxidant actually refers to a massive number of different compounds (including but not limited to Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Vitamin A, Beta-carotene and many others) that help to scavenge free radicals in the body. Free radicals are formed during heavy exercise and early ideas held that this was damaging to the body.

And while it is true that excessive free radical production can cause problems, research actually has found that free radical production is critical in signaling adaptations to training; blocking free radical formation can actually inhibit proper adaptation to training, especially endurance training.

Additionally, while research on diets that are high in anti-oxidants (e.g. whole food diets containing lots of fruits and vegetables) often find health benefits, studies using isolated anti-oxidants have generally not found the same results. This again points to the importance of obtaining most nutrients from whole foods rather than isolated pills.

For the most part I do not advocate the intake of high-dose isolated anti-oxidants for mixed sports athletes under most circumstances. An exception is the high-dose Vitamin C mentioned above with glutamine when an athlete starts to feel a cold coming on. This is especially true during primary training phases where excessive anti-oxidant supplementation have the potential to impair optimal adaptation.

However, during the season, when the goal is primarily to survive competition (which may be very frequent depending on the sport), supplementation may be useful. Some athletes report decreased soreness and improved recovery. Since the goal in-season is competition and not improving fitness or training adaptations, this may be worth considering.

So while avoiding anti-oxidants during the main training period is probably the best course of action, there may be some merit to supplementation to survive a heavy competition season.

On Friday in Supplements Part 2, I’ll continue with Performance Supplements and Esoterica.

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35 thoughts on “Supplements Part 1

  1. Thanks for the overview. One question concerning the multivitamin: Do you recommend to use the RDA doses or significant higher dosages?

  2. Thomas: Given that athletes will already be getting higher intakes of nutrients from their diet, I don’t see any need to mega-dose with a multi.

  3. Good article! How true is that Glutamine enhances recovery from heavy training? Does the fish oil caps has to have the seal from USP?

  4. Even thought they are often sold as a single supplement, I have read conflicting evidence regarding taking calcium, mag, and zinc together, due to absorption competition. What’s your take?

  5. “From a purely experiential standpoint, I have found that the consumption of high doses of glutamine and Vitamin C at the first sign of a cold tends to stop it in its tracks.”

    One anecdote about one’s self isn’t exactly a ringing proof of efficacy. I thought you would hold yourself to a higher standard than that before positing such a thing.

    Don’t take that as a dismissal of your experience, or the rest of the post. It’s just than from an evidence-based perspective, this anecdote is really weak.

  6. I know you don’t want to recommend a specific multivitamin, but I’m still uncertain as to whether my current multivitamin – Puritan’s Pride Ultra Vita Man – contains too much in the way of antioxidants. One capsule of this product contains 5,000 IU of Vitamin A (100% Recommended Daily Value), 150mg of Vitamin C (250% RDV), and 50 IU of Vitamin E (166% RDV). Is this too much? If so, does anyone have a recommendation for a general multivitamin that contains lower amounts of the antioxidants? (I’m a 28 year old male, not really an “athlete,” but I do try to remain fit and eat well).

  7. Lyle:

    Just to be clear (and I know “it depends”…but generally speaking), you are advising both the use of a multi-vitamin/mineral AND individual supplementation of calcium, D, zinc/mag? If the multi is fulfilling the RDA in calcium, D, zinc/mag, is there-again, generally speaking-a need to add in individual supplements for all of the aforementioned?

    Given that-despite my tireless attempts to educate-my clients diets are generally awful, from both a total caloric intake and nutritional quality standpoint, I’ve been considering adding supplements to my facility as a profit center. I’ve never been a “supplement guy” (outside of a whey powder and fish oil), but, given the status of my clients nutrition, I think this is an ethical and prudent move on my part.

  8. Kdill: The only time you see interference is with mega doses. So if you take like 2 grams of calcium at once it interferees with zinc absorption or whatever. And at normal doses, it doesn’t. Most of the claims are nonsense to sell product (e.g. Balco’s silly ZMA).

    Walt: Well, gee whiz, did I present it as anything more than a pure anecdote? No, I didn’t. So what’s the issue? And I’ve had many others use it to a similar effect. Which still proves exactly nothing. But I didn’t present it as fact or as scientifically proven, so why are you making it sound like I did (look up ‘strawman argument’)? Now, had I said “It’s been proven that…” you might have a point. Since I didn’t….

    Dcguy: Most multis-don’t contain enough anti-oxidants for it to matter. I was really talking about taking high level doses taken separately.

    PJ: The biggest pill anybody can swallow is about 1000 mg total ingredient. So you can’t put nearly enough calcium in there to reach recommended levels. The same goes for the other stuff I mentioned, usually multis don’t have enough of it to matter and I wouldn’t have mentioned them separately if they didn’t *sometimes* need separate supplementation.

  9. On the glutaime thing – based on your anecdotal feedback I have tried this on myself and my wife, and in multiple instances this has worked flawlessly. I usually get about 8g of glutamine a day over 3-4 doses and have 500mg vit c with it. Great idea.

  10. “If you consume 3 servings per day of dairy, you needn’t supplement”:

    Lyle, any particular reason you didn’t mention green veggies as a source of calcium? Just curious.

  11. “Athlete with access to testing should strive for levels of 50 ng/dl (check units) or higher”

    The correct units are ng/ml.

  12. What is wrong with taking iron when training? One trainer at the gym has told me it’s not good, but I didn’t ask why.

  13. Thanks for the insight, Lyle, and I look forward to adding this product to my library when it is released.

    A few questions, if I may….

    (1) A question was asked above about green vegetables and calcium, so I apologize if an answer comes in before I post this. While the taste may prevent many from consuming it, would kale, given its low oxalate content be a viable source of calcium for those with the ability to stomach it (or who may be able to mask it in a shake?)

    (2) While I still use fish oil supplements at times (dose varies depending upon weekly fish intake), I also have been ordering wild salmon from a company called Vital Choice for some time now. I generally consume a serving anywhere from a typical minimum of twice a week to a maximum of 4 times a week (this is more rare but happens on occasion). I see a lot of reports about mercury contamination in most seafood, but the company I order from claims to have its product tested and that levels are likely as low as you’d be apt to find these days. Even at the higher end of consumption (upwards of 4 servings/week), have you come across any research that would make you uneasy about that level of wild salmon consumption? On the other hand, I have also seen at least mild indications that selenium (be it from fish itself, Brazil nuts, or even a multi-vitamin/mineral can chelate mercury and help to protect against mercury-related issues……..although I may be misinformed) Essentially I am trying to determine if I should go back to more exclusive use of fish oil supplements or if this level of fish consumption is no cause for concern. Any insight you may have on that front would be appreciated.

  14. Hi, Lyle.

    I have three questions for you.

    First, my wife purchased a tanning lamp this past Fall, and it has a ration of UVB:UVA of 10-percent to 90-percent (higher than many commercial beds, I think). While I will need to do follow-up testing very shortly to know how my Winter experiment with it went, I wanted to get your take on how I went about using it. My skin is on the lighter end of the spectrum, and I tan modestly, so instead of using it 1 or 2x/week for slightly longer sessions, I used it every other day (or every 2 days in some cases) for around 5 minutes total (2.5 minutes per side, since it is a wall–mounted/stand-up lamp) Do you see any reason why that would pose any undue risk versus any “reward” gained from any vitamin D produced? I don’t even remotely approach burning, so I figured this was no problem at all. These sessions were on top of my multi-vitamin containing 500 IU’s and whatever modest amounts I absorbed from occasional fish and egg yolk consumption. Testing will tell the tale of how effective this was, so I am more interested in your thoughts about any potential risk from that exposure.

    Secondly, on the issue of magnesium supplementation, would the glycinate form be a decent alternative to citrate for someone who may not tolerate the citrate form well. I haven’t looked at the issue closely and only heard passing mention of the citrate form possibly giving some folks the runs, but that may have been with much larger doses than should typically be consumed anyway.

    Thirdly, at a standard level of zinc consumption, is there any risk for copper deficiency if not getting any via supplementation and only very small amounts via diet (even though total copper intake will be small as it is)? My multi-vitamin is copper and iron free but contains 25 mg of zinc glycinate (added on to whatever modest amount I absorb from my diet). While that’s hardly massive zinc consumption, I am just curious if you have ever come across someone running into copper deficiency on account of excess zinc (via diet + any supplementation)

    Thanks for sharing this article.

  15. I have been using omega 3 pills for some time now and I have discovered that some brands give me burps and some do not.

    is there a way to determine either calcium is citrate or oxide, if it does not say on the container?

    Great article, thanx.

  16. Martin: The fish oil burp thing is common in some but not in others. Freezing/refrigerating seems to help. I have no clue how to identify calcium type if it’s not listed.

    Chris: Glutamine, by and large is useless. The immune system function stuff, as noted, is mixed as hell. All other claimed used (e.g. anabolism) are completely nonsensical. And what part of “This is based on my own experience” re: the glutamine + Vitamin C thing is unclear. It’s NOT based on research, it’s NOT based on science. It’s my experience with myself and my trainees.

    Mark: Re: tanning. Too little sun is bad, too much sun is bad. We went from one extreme (cook 8 hours/day) to the other (cover up all the time). Find balance.

    I haven’t bothered looking into all forms of magnesium in terms of bioavailability. That’s what the Internet is for.

    For copper: I can’t be bothered to care about that kind of thing. This is one of those bits of minituae that I know entire books spend endless pages on. Better them than me.

    Kujo: How much calcium do you think you’re getting from veggies? And how well is it absorbed? I know the vegetarians say you don’t need dairy but I disagree.

    Moran: Thank you, you can see that I both made and ignored my note to check units on this. Never trust the old memory.

    Freddy: What do you mean ‘taking iron when training’? Like during workouts? The issue is that, for men, iron can build up in the body and cause major problems. Women don’t have to worry about it b/c of monthly blood loss.

    Mike: There’s an article on the site about mercury in fish.

  17. Hi Lyle, great website btw. Recently I’ve been reading quite a few books and articles that don’t seem too positive on the likes of multi-vits and pills in tablet form (rather than whole foods). As they discuss how your body doesn’t use/utilise them in the same manner in which you do when you ingest them naturally via whole foods (I know your stance on anti-oxidants obviously which is a similar argument).

    Was just curious on your opinions on this (if any)

    Thanks

  18. Alex: That’s more or less what I was getting at with the comments on anti-oxidants. As part of a mixed diet, they have an effect, in isolated form they generally do not. The issue, and keep in mind that the project this comes from is meant to be applied without a bunch of theoretical wanking is this: there are hundreds, possibly thousands, of co-factors in food that make sure that nutrients are used in a proper way.

    Pills can only contain what food scientists have discovered. So in a very real sense, nutrients from food are probably better absorbed than from isolated pills. For that reason, consuming a given nutrient with a food that contains it (e.g. if you consume a calcium supplement, take it with a meal containing dairy) might give better absorption/utilization. No science, just my own idea on the issue.

    I still stand by my recommendation for a basic one per day multi-vitamin/mineral as cheap nutritional insurance. As noted in the article/excerpt, it isn’t going to hurt anything and might help a little bit. Hence cheap insurance.

  19. Hi Lyle, any thoughts on Vitamin D improving athletic performance beyond just fixing deficiencies? In other words, given an athlete who is not deficient in it, would taking extra vitamin D above maintenance levels show any improvements in terms of performance or body composition?

    According to an article on the site-that-shall-not-be-named (I kid), “many come right out and classify Vitamin D as a steroid hormone.” Seems a bit like hyperbole to me, but it’s not like they are selling a product called Res-D Anabolic Performance Enhancer or something, so maybe my skepticism is unfounded. They have quotes from guys like Poloquin and Dr. Bowden recommending daily supplementation from 2000 up to 5000 IUs per day, and that Olympians will be breaking every record in 2012 due to Vitamin D intake!

    Normally, I would think nothing of it and take that dose as insurance, but now you have me wondering with “more isn’t better”. I mean, if there is no benefit in taking more than maintenance, I would rather save my money and avoid any risks.

    Thanks in advance.

  20. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2009 May;41(5):1102-10.
    Athletic performance and vitamin D.

    Cannell JJ, Hollis BW, Sorenson MB, Taft TN, Anderson JJ.

    Atascadero State Hospital, Atascadero, CA 93422, USA. jcannell@dmhash.state.ca.us

    PURPOSE: Activated vitamin D (calcitriol) is a pluripotent pleiotropic secosteroid hormone. As a steroid hormone, which regulates more than 1000 vitamin D-responsive human genes, calcitriol may influence athletic performance. Recent research indicates that intracellular calcitriol levels in numerous human tissues, including nerve and muscle tissue, are increased when inputs of its substrate, the prehormone vitamin D, are increased. METHODS: We reviewed the world’s literature for evidence that vitamin D affects physical and athletic performance. RESULTS: Numerous studies, particularly in the German literature in the 1950s, show vitamin D-producing ultraviolet light improves athletic performance. Furthermore, a consistent literature indicates physical and athletic performance is seasonal; it peaks when 25-hydroxy-vitamin D [25(OH)D] levels peak, declines as they decline, and reaches its nadir when 25(OH)D levels are at their lowest. Vitamin D also increases the size and number of Type II (fast twitch) muscle fibers. Most cross-sectional studies show that 25(OH)D levels are directly associated with musculoskeletal performance in older individuals. Most randomized controlled trials, again mostly in older individuals, show that vitamin D improves physical performance. CONCLUSIONS: Vitamin D may improve athletic performance in vitamin D-deficient athletes. Peak athletic performance may occur when 25(OH)D levels approach those obtained by natural, full-body, summer sun exposure, which is at least 50 ng x mL(-1). Such 25(OH)D levels may also protect the athlete from several acute and chronic medical conditions.

  21. Ah, I see. I interpreted the 50 ng/mL value as what is needed to avoid a deficiency, not a value for optimal performance. The article I mentioned earlier quoted intakes of up to 100 ng/mL for improvements in performance, thus my confusion. Thanks for the response.

    I am also interested in your thoughts on using glutamine as tool for glycogen replenishment that I’ve seen a few coaches recommend. Is that a valid strategy, or is that pathway just not practical or possible? From what I’ve read in your articles so far, it seems like it’s only use is for your immune system (other than what you’ve mentioned about situations where it’s conditionally essential). Thanks again.

  22. You say anti-oxidents aren’t useful in iosolated form. What about the “greens” supplements that are sold in powdered form. I’ve also seen “reds,” “oranges,” and “purples” all containing various powdered veggies and fruits for different claimed benefits. Do you know about the absorption rates of these?

  23. I have never bothered to look into it as I think, if you’re going to eat vegetables then EAT vegetables. Like with the whole chewing thing.

    But if they are simply mulched vegetable matter, I’d expect absorption/whatever to be similar to eating whole foods.

  24. Fantastic post Lyle
    I totally agree with your recommendations. I also think people are trying to read things you are not saying, into what you are saying as per usual.

    JWhy cant people just read what it says and absorb what it says. Don’t turn everything into something else.

    Also, everything Lyle or anyone else writes about this stuff will always contain a bit of personal interpretation of the same studies, facts, personal experience, opinions of others etc . Something that is correct today could also be proved wrong tomorrow. So just take the advice or not. Simple.

  25. is there anywhere on the site where you list the sites for purchasing protein powder at bulk, if not would you mind listing a a few here?
    thanks

  26. CJ: If I recall, there is now a vegetarian EPA/DHA supplement available. Honestly, I haven’t looked at it in any more detail than that but you can probably google it.

    Mike: Trueprotein.com. That’s the only one you need and the only company I use. I believe I mentioned it in my review of the Doggcrapp video and you can find my discount code on that page if you want to use it.

  27. Very informative article. I know you mentioned that you would give a few online resources at the end of the book that you trust, would you be able to share some of those?
    Thanks

  28. Regarding fish oil, I purchase the 500ml Carlson’s Fish Oil for about $33 (CAD) currently at a local health store, and find it excellent. There has been a “disagreement” between the EPA and the FDA lately whether eating salmon more than a few times a month is safe – not because of mecury but because of PCBs.

    http://www.albany.edu/ihe/salmonstudy/summary.html
    http://hfromm.net/stoneycliff/SalmonPCBs.htm

    However as the below article discusses, PCBs also are found in other meats too!
    This article has an international and developmental perspective on the matter.

    http://www.motherisk.org/women/commonDetail.jsp?content_id=820

    So I do moderate consumption of this fish, probably 3-5x/month.

  29. Lyle, have you considered Hemp protein as a suppliment? Its not as high in protein compared to whey products but it is a complete protein plus it has the correct ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 EFAs and a ton of fiber. What are you thought?

  30. I know you mentioned s.th. about anti-oxidants above,
    but to be more clearly about them, i.e. Multivitamin pills.

    The Multivitamin suggestion is outdated,
    you should update it like all the others (Berkhan etc.)

    according to Prof.Dr.Michael Ristow who has recently PROVEN
    that antioxidants (also Multivitamins) are not beneficial but harmful especially for athletes.

    For scientifical proof look at those two:

    -http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2009/05/11/0903485106.short?rss=1&ssource=mfc
    “Antioxidants prevent health-promoting effects of physical exercise in humans” (studie)

    -http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20090511/do-antioxidants-curb-an-exercise-benefit

    in UD2.0 Page 56: you suggested 50 (instead of above 25)mg Zinc orotate (why not chelat?)
    Vitamin E – is an bad exception look up “mortality vit.e” it should be totally banned from supp lists, if not necessary.

    Greetings I’ve read the last few days
    through your articles – I like them a lot, it’s like your favorite comic just can’t get enough:)

  31. Lyle,

    1.)
    Your recom. is 2000IU for D!

    What should be the target level in blood serum?
    (I take 10000IU and my level is 70ng/ml consistently…)

    2.)
    What do you think bout Magnesium Oil?

    Bye

  32. (e.g. to raise levels from 30ng/ml to 50 ng/ml would require 2000 IU’s per day).

    this isn’t right, since supplementation has diminishing returns, after 30ng/ml it becomes 8 ng/ml for each 1000 IUs a day, so a total of 2500 IUs

    and after 50ng/ml it’s like 5 for each 1000 IUs
    so if you want to get your level up from 20 to like 75, you’d need to take like 8000 IUs a day

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