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Biggest Loser Feedback

Although this article is old, it’s as relevant now as it was then.  The TV show The Biggest Loser is on and it’s still a travesty.  The trainers are both morons, it does enormous harm to people’s attitudes towards weight and fat loss, the things it teaches are appalling and I’m waiting for them to kill somebody.   Well years and years ago, one of the former contestants emailed me with some inside details on the show.  And it all just makes it that much worse.

Feedback on The Biggest Loser

What I’m going to do below is first quote the feedback I got from the contestant along with giving my comments or thoughts on it.  As an initial comment, I will say that what he sent me is interesting for at least two reasons.

  1. What can be accomplished in a short period when you put your mind to it.
  2. How unrealistic some of the changes on the show actually are relative to normal people.

The Biggest Loser contestant is indicated by BL and I’m indicated by LM.

Biggest Loser:  I know that obese people are not your target audience but for anyone who cares, we worked out 4 hours per day 6 days per week. That started on day 2. Day 1 we worked out 2.5 hours. That is from sedentary to 2.5 hours.

We did 1 hour cardio in the morning and 1 in the evening by ourselves and the trainer came in every afternoon for two hours to put us through a circuit resistance based routine for an hour and sometimes her own crazy cardio routine for an hour or we did that third cardio hour on our own also. We never worked out intensely for more than 2 hours at a time.

LM: As I’ve mentioned repeatedly on the website and elsewhere (and brought up in my books), research in general has not supported exercise having a humongous impact on bodyweight. However, a lot of studies have used fairly moderate amounts of exercise in this regards. In contrast, large volumes of exercise, and the above can only be considered a ‘large volume’, especially coming from essentially a sedentary life, can have a fairly large impact.

BL: Our goal was to lose 1 pound (0.45 kg) per day (3500 calories). Our particular trainers philosophy was that she was going to BURN it off you in the gym and if you had a poor day in the gym the VERY first question that was asked was “Did you eat”.

It had to be pounded into us that we had to eat. It seemed counter-intuitive for many of us in a weight loss contest but it proved itself out when a teammate of mine upped his workouts to 6 hours per day and shrank his food to 500 calories per day (on his own) and only lost 3 pounds in 7 days while everyone else averaged 7-10.

LM:  This is an interesting idea as it’s something I noted years ago and have commented on previously. The combination of lots of exercise with big caloric deficits tends to work extremely poorly and seem to slow instead of hasten fat loss for some reason. This is part of why I strongly recommended against lots of exercise in the Rapid Fat Loss Handbook.  The deficit inherent to the diet is already large enough to the point that adding a bunch of training seems to cause more harm than good.

I don’t know if the issue is simply metabolic slowdown or if there’s something else going on (this my current new project now that the protein book is finally done) but I’ve seen it happen time and time again: excessive caloric deficits plus excessive amounts of exercise seem to do more harm than good. If you are burning a lot of calories through exercise, you have to eat. If you want to cut calories hard, you have to reduce activity.

BL: So that was a 75-25% Cardio to resistance training mix. Man what the body can do when it has the right trainer to push it. This years contestants work out even more (I went back to the show and worked out with them for 3.5 hours on an off camera day and they still had an evening workout to go). Of course you’re secluded, no phone, no newspapers, no internet – just you and other fatties so what else you going to do except the hated TV stuff, interviews challenges etc.?

LM: I think that last point is a good one, another reason why some of what can be done on the show is unrealistic to normal people. Between the huge motivation to win (big money, fame) and basically being locked up where all there is to do is exercise, putting in huge amounts of training is much easier. Especially compared to the average person who is dealing with work, home, family, etc. and probably doesn’t have 4 hours per day to exercise.

I also think it’s interesting that the main focus is on cardio training especially with the recent tendency towards weight training based fat loss approaches. No matter how you cut it, 3 hours of cardio per day burns far far far more calories than 45 minutes of weight training, regardless of the type (or any small calorie burn afterwards).  Make no mistake, weight training is important.  It simply shouldn’t be the main focus.

I’d also add that, for extremely overweight individuals (who typically gain LBM as they get fat), weight training wouldn’t seem to have much of a huge benefit. Possibly if it’s done with higher reps/circuit style (to burn more calories, deplete muscle glycogen, etc.). But fatter individuals don’t usually have to worry so much about muscle loss in the first place, pounding them with low rep heavy work just doesn’t make much sense.

BL: We typically worked out at 75-90% of our max. heart rate based on the 220 formula (my note: 220 minus age is a common approach to setting aerobic intensity) WITH our trainer and 65-85% of our max. when on our own. The quality of the ‘on our own’ workouts usually had to do with external factors like music and fatigue from filming etc. We physically could have done 75-90% on our own but it gets AWFULLY boring!

LM: The trainer issue is actually very interesting as some studies have shown that people work harder with a trainer than on their own.  From memory, one even found that having a trainer standing nearby without actually doing anything improved results.

This is one very potential benefit of having a regular trainer (or a good training partner), motivation to work harder may mean better and/or faster results.

BL: We cooked all our own food based on the nutrition advice of the trainer (so again individual expertise varies).  Here are my vital stats:

Biggest Loser Constant Changes

* Equivalent to 2 months in the real world (his comment, not mine).

P.S. My values are still there 2 years afterwards.

LM: Frankly this is hard to even believe. Given how much medication is used to treat such things as high blood pressure and insulin resistance, clearly activity and weight loss can have absolutely massive effects. What surprises me the most is the time frame that these changes occurred in.

BL: It is also interesting that the work on the ranch really breaks down to the exact numbers that people see in real life. IE The ‘national’ average for someone who watches what they eat and works out 6 days per week is approx. 8-10 lb. of weight loss per month(6 days x 4 weeks = 24 hours per month). This same math works out on the ranch 6 days per week x 4 hours per day = 24 hours per WEEK = 8-10 lb. per WEEK. We just condensed a months worth of workouts into a weeks time.

LM Frankly, looking at a lot of studies of exercise or diet, many would be thrilled to be getting 8-10 lb/month of weight or fat loss. But I agree generally with the sentiment above, given that attention to diet, a loss of 8-10 lb./month for someone who isn’t already very lean is probably attainable. That that amount of weight is compressed into 1/4th the time tends to support that the results on the Biggest Loser are extremely atypical.

BL: For reference – While a TV episode is 7 days in length that is not the case behind the scenes. So some ‘weeks’ the numbers are larger because some weeks we had 14 days between weigh ins. My season if you lasted until the final day you would be on the ranch 101 days (I got voted off on episode 7 and lost 83 pounds in 62 days) This season is it like 121 days start to finish. And all that gets condensed into a 12-14 weeks show airing schedule.

LM: This is a bit deceptive on the part of the show in my opinion since it’s made to appear that these massive weight losses are occurring every 7 days which clearly they are not.

BL: By the way – Losing and Maintaining are TWO ENTIRELY different problems. My goal now is to keep my cardiovascular system in shape (I love to run) AND build muscle while watching what I eat. So I have had to experiment with tons of exercise routines and programs and play with my diet to no end to learn myself. Oh and I teach on some this stuff so I read a lot.

LM: This is an exceptionally important point that is often lost. What is done during active weight loss neither has to be nor should it be the same as what’s done during weight maintenance. As I point out in both the Rapid Fat Loss handbook and the Guide to Flexible Dieting, most research has found that exercise (and quite a bit of it) is actually more important for weight maintenance than loss. Of course, sticking in the long-term with dietary changes is critical as well.

BL: Today – I take in approx. 2500 calories per day and when I am on-point I eat more proteins and fats then carbs. When I ‘fall off the wagon’ I still stay within my calorie range but I will have more carbs and salt and carbs require 2.7 grams of water for every 1 gram of carbs and salt makes you retain water blah blah blah.

People are still amazed that I can drop 10 pounds in a week (I call it ‘fake’ weight loss) and they don’t understand that it comes by simply cutting out the extra carbs and salt while drinking a gallon of water per day and that sheds all the extra water in your body.

But I realize that I HAVE to track what I eat or eat the same thing every day which is boring. I teach others what I have learned and I quote some smart guy about those who estimate calories underestimate by 25-50% so keep a food diary/log!

In the interest of full disclosure: We do what boxers and wrestlers do and people gain the weight back after the show because they do not STAY in learning mode.

LM: Anybody who’s played around with lowcarb diets (especially of the cyclical kind) is probably aware of the kinds of water shifts that can occur with such diets. What I think is lost on some people is the sheer magnitude of water that can be gained or lost, especially in larger individuals.  You can skew this even further by water loading to begin with.  It makes the weekly weight losses look huge but it’s really just smoke and mirrors.

My Final Comments

First I want to thank the individual who sent me the above feedback for taking the time to do it.  I was already appalled at how The Biggest Loser does things.  And most of the above doesn’t make me any less appalled.  I maintain that it causes far more problems than it solves even ignoring the danger it exposes the contestants too.

As much as anything it gives the general public a horrible set of expectations.  Who can be happy with “only” 2 lbs weight/fat loss per week when they see people losing 10 times that on a TV show (which is manipulating time and water)?  Nobody is who.

I even recall a documentary followup on one of the ex-contestants who had regained all the weight.  He said his biggest issue was adherence to his new diet because such slow fat losses were now pointless to him.  He had gotten programmed to expect 10+ lbs per week through the combination of unrealistic exercise and dietary changes and couldn’t stick to a more moderate approach.

Basically I just see The Biggest Loser and its ilk as being part of the problem.  It simply provides too much misinformation about how to go about things.  I guess it’s entertaining but when you’re in this industry, it’s more infuriating than anything.

Because frankly everything it shows in terms of training an obese beginner is wrong.  Which is why I’m using this piece to lead into a 6 part series on Training the Obese Beginner the correct way.

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8 thoughts on “Biggest Loser Feedback

  1. I think the BL trainers gave an emphasis on cardio activities more because aside from letting the dieters burn more calories, the possible weight gain of lbm or muscle mass alone will affect the scale weight which is what the show is all about. I was wondering though if the show was actually measuring the before and after body composition of the contestants body fat wise? Thanks for the article Lyle

  2. For anyone interested, I believe this is Pete Thomas from season 2, and he has kept his weight off for 5 years! I love The Biggest Loser, and this was an interesting look behind the scenes. Most interesting is the variance between ‘weeks’ and the contestant who manipulated his water levels to lose a huge deficit. I wonder if that’s almost standard practice by now, and if the producers encourage that kind of behavior for TV?

  3. Here’s the thing, the Biggest Loser is about making good television, it’s not about what it pretend to be about. And that means things like drama (all of the gameplaying) and massive changes. Even if the producers don’t encourage the game playing, I betcha they don’t try to quell it. Because seeing someone lose 30 lbs in ‘one week’ (when 17 lbs of it was from water loading) helps to move BL merchandise.

    Same reason the training they present is fundamentally retarded. The training that should be done would be boring as watch. They need to present exciting ever changing stuff, see Jillian yelling like an idiot, see folks collapsing. It’s good tv. It’s shitty information.

  4. For the most part I see the biggest loser and personal trainers as much the same thing. They have to “sell” something, and you can’t charge much for telling people to stop putting food into their mouths, its boring and everyone knows that already. Actually doing it is another thing. I see trainers at my gym putting obese people through silly routines to keep them busy and keep them feeling like the trainer is needed. I see the same trainers often and they never seem to do the same excercise twice, I swear they make half of it up. Yet these same people come back for months or years and still have the exact same body, maybe they’re better at cardio sure, but they’re just as fat. To be clear Im not knocking personal trainers, its just the ones who dont care and only give out part of the story so they can keep charging 100 an hour by making people look silly playing around with bands and doing odd one armed complexes on balance balls. Sometimes Im amazed that these people dont get hurt. If I see them often enough I try to get them to some of the better websites but so far it seems to have all fallen on deaf ears. At any rate its all a shame because these people need some serious help. Id also note that the weight regain after biggest loser is often massive given a few years. It pains me to see some of the trainers in my gym pulling the same BS day in and day out for loads of cash, but what can you do?

  5. I both agree and disagree. A GOOD personal trainer (and there are scant few of those) can provide direction and motivation and accountability for folks just starting out. Unfortunately, the majority of personal trainers are just buffed folks without a clue who are more interested in entertaining folks for an hour than generating results. They also usually have zero clue how to work with the truly obese. I used to cringe watching some 130 lb. female trainer having a 250 lb woman doing walking lunges. I mean, the trainer can do them, right?

    But that’s why I’m writing the current article series. And there are good folks out there, they are just few and far between sadly.

  6. 1. Do your homework on your personal trainer — good ones exist. I had a trainer for a while who had a CSCS certification, and he also competed in strongman competitions. He had the theory and the real-world experience to back it up. I made tremendous progress when I trained with him and only quit when I could no longer afford it.

    2. The show is a TV show. “Reality TV” is not reality, it’s TV! I like the fact that it can be inspiring to people. I was whining about dieting and being tired, and then I thought, “if those morbidly obese people can work out for 4 hours a day, I can handle 90 minutes.” Totally got my mind in the right place.

  7. I see a lot of similarities between The Biggest Loser routine and basic training in the military. You are locked into a 9 week program with no outside contact or distraction, you might eat 1000 calories per day, and you do cardio exercise for nearly 8 hours per day.

    I went from 230lbs of flab when I entered basic training to 170lbs of solid muscle in that 9 week period.

  8. Yeah, its clearly that there are a lot of similarities between The Biggest Loser routine and the training in the military.

    I still cannot understand how does this program still works because of hid rigidity… I couldnt think at something else than just “failure”.
    But maybe this is just my opinion, so it could be as you wish it to be.

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